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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gracie! Great minds think alike, or you thought my comment was so perfectly phrased you just had to repeat it verbatim? :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gracie! Great minds think alike, or you thought my comment was so perfectly phrased you just had to repeat it verbatim? <img src='http://miscmum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<span class="cluv">Kathy recently posted..<a class="7defb6798e 11873" rel="nofollow" href="http://playeatlearnlive.blogspot.com/2012/05/up-side.html">The up side</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11873" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Kathy</title>
		<link>http://miscmum.com/2012/05/22/is-emotionalism-damaging-internet-discourse/#comment-11872</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point you make there, Cam. Perhaps I should write those posts after all, once the heat has gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point you make there, Cam. Perhaps I should write those posts after all, once the heat has gone.<br />
<span class="cluv">Kathy recently posted..<a class="3fa8b98228 11872" rel="nofollow" href="http://playeatlearnlive.blogspot.com/2012/05/up-side.html">The up side</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11872" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on What I&#8217;m Reading May 2012 by Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to old favourites for me - have a fair amount of contract work in and will be attending the conference on the weekend, so I have resorted to old comfy reads to match my old comfy slippers :-)

- Dorothy L Sayers, Busman&#039;s Honeymoon
- Isaac Asimov, I, Robot
- Terry Pratchett - Various Discworld books</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to old favourites for me &#8211; have a fair amount of contract work in and will be attending the conference on the weekend, so I have resorted to old comfy reads to match my old comfy slippers <img src='http://miscmum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Dorothy L Sayers, Busman&#8217;s Honeymoon<br />
- Isaac Asimov, I, Robot<br />
- Terry Pratchett &#8211; Various Discworld books<br />
<span class="cluv">Kathy recently posted..<a class="ce341b059b 11871" rel="nofollow" href="http://playeatlearnlive.blogspot.com/2012/05/up-side.html">The up side</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11871" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Cam @ notunimportant.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam @ notunimportant.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the issue was stale and writing it up would’ve served no purpose&quot;

It&#039;s a shame you feel that way, Kathy. There are plenty of us who don&#039;t turnover at lightning-speed and more of us who value a considered opinion. I believe there are plenty of good lessons for everyone in returning to a hot topic once it&#039;s cooled down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the issue was stale and writing it up would’ve served no purpose&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame you feel that way, Kathy. There are plenty of us who don&#8217;t turnover at lightning-speed and more of us who value a considered opinion. I believe there are plenty of good lessons for everyone in returning to a hot topic once it&#8217;s cooled down.<br />
<span class="cluv">Cam @ notunimportant.com recently posted..<a class="7daecab800 11869" rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.notunimportant.com/2012/05/topic-pools-and-relative-timing-about-blog-monetisation/">Topic pools and relative timing: about blog monetisation</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11869" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 13:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m kind of obsessed with the show The Good Wife at the moment having just watched Season 1 and part of Season 2 in its entirety. 

In it there is a character who seems to want to unleash some secret or some such thing about another character. The main character (Alicia) picks up on what&#039;s he up to right away and basically says (I&#039;m paraphrasing) &#039;Don&#039;t put me in the middle of your thing. I&#039;m too busy&#039; 

I love the way she says that and I&#039;ve always wanted to be too busy to concern myself with trivialities and the special causes of others. I fail often, but I care less and less...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m kind of obsessed with the show The Good Wife at the moment having just watched Season 1 and part of Season 2 in its entirety. </p>
<p>In it there is a character who seems to want to unleash some secret or some such thing about another character. The main character (Alicia) picks up on what&#8217;s he up to right away and basically says (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) &#8216;Don&#8217;t put me in the middle of your thing. I&#8217;m too busy&#8217; </p>
<p>I love the way she says that and I&#8217;ve always wanted to be too busy to concern myself with trivialities and the special causes of others. I fail often, but I care less and less&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 11:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s the personal attacks and abuse that upsets me.I am still mulling over what my final opinion is; by the time I arrive at it, no-one will care anymore, the conversation will be obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the personal attacks and abuse that upsets me.I am still mulling over what my final opinion is; by the time I arrive at it, no-one will care anymore, the conversation will be obsolete.<br />
<span class="cluv">Gracie recently posted..<a class="2bfd341776 11867 p" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.theredpin.com">perspective condos</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip p 11867" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheartplus.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Ely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Live life to the fullest and no regrets. Just like Seal said &quot;It&#039;s about the journey&quot;. We learn from our mistakes,improve and reap the success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Live life to the fullest and no regrets. Just like Seal said &#8220;It&#8217;s about the journey&#8221;. We learn from our mistakes,improve and reap the success.<br />
<span class="cluv">Ely recently posted..<a class="69b9ef3fb9 11864" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl0q6-Hsk1I">Can bladder problems be cured naturally?  2</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11864" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An elegant response there Kathy (as always) x. This resonated with me, &quot;Mostly, though, it&#039;s neither of these - it&#039;s that my shades-of-grey moral compass doesn&#039;t move fast enough to arrive at a firm position before the debate is effectively over.&quot; I&#039;m like that too - I&#039;m not quick to anger. I need to sit with something for a while to come to conclusions in my head that I can be sure aren&#039;t premature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An elegant response there Kathy (as always) x. This resonated with me, &#8220;Mostly, though, it&#8217;s neither of these &#8211; it&#8217;s that my shades-of-grey moral compass doesn&#8217;t move fast enough to arrive at a firm position before the debate is effectively over.&#8221; I&#8217;m like that too &#8211; I&#8217;m not quick to anger. I need to sit with something for a while to come to conclusions in my head that I can be sure aren&#8217;t premature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Kathy</title>
		<link>http://miscmum.com/2012/05/22/is-emotionalism-damaging-internet-discourse/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to debate in high school and at university. Sometimes I miss it, and some of the friends I made through debating are still some of my favourite friends to hang out with and talk to. I like the freedom that comes when you can vigorously disagree / dissent and still all shake hands at the end, as it were. The ability to argue with people who know how to not BE personal, or take disagreement personally, is something that I cherish, precisely because it is rare.

I think emotion is part of argument and in fact, emotionless arguments are less persuasive than ones that contain genuine passion. So it&#039;s not emotionalism per se that bothers me - it&#039;s when combatants elevate emotion to a primacy that means a) logic and reason are abandoned, and b) everyone is flailing about tossing ad homs and non sequiters merrily like bombs (ie when people stop trying to convince, and start trying simply to insult and hurt).

I admit that I also keep my head down with Internet arguments on the whole. Partly because, as a commenter upthread indicated, I think they are mostly pointless; partly because I am somewhat cautious about sticking my neck out and copping attacks that either make me imprudently wrathful, or upset me.  There is enough in my off-screen life that does those things - I don&#039;t need to buy new trouble.

Mostly, though, it&#039;s neither of these - it&#039;s that my shades-of-grey moral compass doesn&#039;t move fast enough to arrive at a firm position before the debate is effectively over.  I read the ... thing ... on Twitter last night and thought about it a lot. I think a lot of strong points were made, but I am still mulling over what my final opinion is; by the time I arrive at it, no-one will care anymore, the conversation will be obsolete. (This happened to me with the whole Samantha Brick business, for instance - it took me ages to think through exactly what I thought was problematic about it and arrive at how I&#039;d respond, but by the time I did, the issue was stale and writing it up would&#039;ve served no purpose).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to debate in high school and at university. Sometimes I miss it, and some of the friends I made through debating are still some of my favourite friends to hang out with and talk to. I like the freedom that comes when you can vigorously disagree / dissent and still all shake hands at the end, as it were. The ability to argue with people who know how to not BE personal, or take disagreement personally, is something that I cherish, precisely because it is rare.</p>
<p>I think emotion is part of argument and in fact, emotionless arguments are less persuasive than ones that contain genuine passion. So it&#8217;s not emotionalism per se that bothers me &#8211; it&#8217;s when combatants elevate emotion to a primacy that means a) logic and reason are abandoned, and b) everyone is flailing about tossing ad homs and non sequiters merrily like bombs (ie when people stop trying to convince, and start trying simply to insult and hurt).</p>
<p>I admit that I also keep my head down with Internet arguments on the whole. Partly because, as a commenter upthread indicated, I think they are mostly pointless; partly because I am somewhat cautious about sticking my neck out and copping attacks that either make me imprudently wrathful, or upset me.  There is enough in my off-screen life that does those things &#8211; I don&#8217;t need to buy new trouble.</p>
<p>Mostly, though, it&#8217;s neither of these &#8211; it&#8217;s that my shades-of-grey moral compass doesn&#8217;t move fast enough to arrive at a firm position before the debate is effectively over.  I read the &#8230; thing &#8230; on Twitter last night and thought about it a lot. I think a lot of strong points were made, but I am still mulling over what my final opinion is; by the time I arrive at it, no-one will care anymore, the conversation will be obsolete. (This happened to me with the whole Samantha Brick business, for instance &#8211; it took me ages to think through exactly what I thought was problematic about it and arrive at how I&#8217;d respond, but by the time I did, the issue was stale and writing it up would&#8217;ve served no purpose).<br />
<span class="cluv">Kathy recently posted..<a class="1dca7da328 11862" rel="nofollow" href="http://playeatlearnlive.blogspot.com/2012/05/happy-birthday-e.html">Happy birthday E</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 11862" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://miscmum.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Emotionalism Damaging Internet Discourse? by Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I love you guys too AND that we can talk about this. It harder than face to face, which in a lot of circumstances could get things resolved in seconds or minutes, rather than linger on for weeks/months.... years...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I love you guys too AND that we can talk about this. It harder than face to face, which in a lot of circumstances could get things resolved in seconds or minutes, rather than linger on for weeks/months&#8230;. years&#8230;!</p>
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